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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Jan-25 9:40 am  
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Why Lust Should Not Be a Sin 
Lust is one of the seven deadly sins first identified by Pope Gregory the Great in the 6th century. He nailed them all: Lust, anger, envy, gluttony, sloth, pride, and greed. It's a cornucopia of bad living. But hold on! A leading philosopher at Britain's Cambridge University says lust has been wrongly branded as a vice and should be "reclaimed for humanity" as the life-affirming virtue that it is. 

Lust, jealousy, and sexual attraction: Why do men cheat? 

Professor Simon Blackburn told the London Sunday Times that lust has gotten a bad name from bad ideology that has hindered its "freedom of flow." His quest is to rescue lust, arguing it has been wrongly condemned for centuries. And he has a prestigious backer: The Oxford University Press, which will publish Blackburn's project on the modern relevance of the seven deadly sins, including lust. Blackburn told the Times that he wants to save lust "from the denunciations of old men of the deserts, to deliver it from the pallid and envious confessor, and the stocks and pillories of the Puritans, to drag it from the category of sin to that of virtue." 

How does he plan to do this? He defines [redefines] lust as "the enthusiastic desire for sexual activity and its pleasures for its own sake." But if lust is reciprocated, that leads to pleasure and "best flourishes when unencumbered by bad philosophy and ideology...which prevent its freedom of flow."


Here is Blackburn's logic at work: Thirst is not considered sin, nor is it criticized. But thirst can lead to drunkenness. In the same way, lust should not be condemned just because it can go unchecked. "The important thing is that generally anything that gives pleasure has a presumption in its favor," Blackburn explained to the Times. "The question is how we control it."



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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     Jan-26 11:54 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (2 of 17)  
 
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Oh my!

That's as good as the story I read this morning about a guy saying it is just fine to murder babies whose disabilities weren't known prior to birth!   Sick!   What a sick world......

[God bless you, David!  Hope all is well with you!]

 
 
 

 
  
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  From:  joyinexpressible (pamwitzemann)   Jan-27 11:20 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (3 of 17)  
 
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David, 
I'm new here and may get branded a heretic right off the bat but I believe that the proof is in how we control it. I don't think it is a sin to feel lust for your wife. God made all of our emotions the problem is that we misuse them. 

I'm not Catholic, so the list of deadly sins means little to me. I think lust for the mate the Lord has given you is fine. Lust for your nieghbors wife or a woman in a porn magazine is not. That is when it becomes harmful and unhealthy. 

Pam
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Jan-27 11:41 am  
To:  joyinexpressible (pamwitzemann)   (4 of 17)  
 
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Hi Pam,

 

Actually the seven sins are from the Bible in the Psalms and Proverbs and Jesus Himself said that to look upon a woman with lust is a sin.

 

It does show that we are sinners in need of Jesus.

 

It is sad when people try to cover their own sins and try to remove the need of the Cross and death of Jesus.

 

Again we are all sinners in a variety of ways and the answer isnt to ignore it or to reinvent it but to identify it and to take it to the cross of Jesus where the blood of Jesus can cover it for us.

 

God Bless you,
David

 



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  From:  joyinexpressible (pamwitzemann)   Jan-27 12:41 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (5 of 17)  
 
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David, 
Can you give me the reference for those scriptures? I knew the result of lust was often sin but I didn't know lust itself was. Is desire for your intended mate different then? 

Pam
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Jan-27 4:56 pm  
To:  joyinexpressible (pamwitzemann)   (6 of 17)  
 
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Hi,

 

Here is where Jesus talkes about Lust during His Sermon on the Mount. 

 

Matthew 5:27,28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to Lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

Then the Apostle Paul goes on to explain that we are to interact with and treat everyone who is not our wife as though they are our sister or mother. If you have brothers or sisters and your parents then you know that you are not lusting after them and that is the appropriate relationship among Christians.

 

God Bless you,
David

 



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  From:  Watchman77    Feb-8 5:39 am  
To:  joyinexpressible (pamwitzemann)   (7 of 17)  
 
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Pam "lust" is the unhealthy counterfeit of love. It is normal and natural for a husband and wife who love each other to desire to become "one" physically as well as spiritually... lust is satan's desire to destroy love and cause men and women to lust after something that is not theirs. Basically lust is the desire for something that does not belong to you. It is not "lust" what a loving husband feels for his loving wife or vise versa, that is natural, lust is not.
Love & Blessings 
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  From:  Watchman77    Feb-8 5:55 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (8 of 17)  
 
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you know David this kind of attitude breaks my heart on a daily basis. It is the spirit of Jezebel that is so much in control of the world and especially America in these end times. Sexual depravity in any form is rampant and acceptable, while chastity is considered prudish and oldfashion. 
It is considered unrealistic to try and teach abstinence, while  birthcontol and abortion are considered much better "alternatives" to purity and responsibility. This is only more "signs of the times" we are in. Even the church has been caught up in this web of evil, we are constantly hearing of infidelity and dishonor among christians as well as the rest of the world. And I am sure if the truth be known the number of abortions among christian teens is probably close to those of non-christian teens. A lot of the problem is that "sex sells" and so it is being used more and more in commercials and movies and just about everything else. Man is controlled by the flesh and sex appeals to the flesh big time. That is where lust comes in, if you are not controlled by the love of God, then lust can come in and control the flesh causing it to sin. But when the love of God is living in you, then lust has no place in you, because you realize what belongs to someone else can never be yours, nor should it be. You realize that what you have in the LORD is all that you will ever need or want and that if you love one another you want them to have all you have in Christ, never less, this gives lust no place to dwell in our spirit. IMHO lust is the desire to have something that does not belong to you and that can never be good, it can lead into all kinds of sins.
Love & Blessings 
YSICJ Earla

Ralph Waldo Emerson may have said it best:

"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success."

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  And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. Rev 19:11

  
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  From:  joyinexpressible (pamwitzemann)   Feb-8 6:04 am  
To:  Watchman77    (9 of 17)  
 
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Hi Earla, 
So you think lust is an emotion that God didn't make us with? Was it adopted from Satan's influence then? I'm not trying to be flippant, just curious. 

Pam
 
  
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  From:  Watchman77    Feb-8 6:31 am  
To:  joyinexpressible (pamwitzemann)   (10 of 17)  
 
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Hi Earla, 

Hi Pam :-)

So you think lust is an emotion that God didn't make us with? Was it adopted from Satan's influence then? I'm not trying to be flippant, just curious. 

right, I believe lust is satan's perversion of God's love. I believe lust is the desire for something we are no suppose to have.

1John 2:16, For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
 

Love & Blessings 
YSICJ Earla

Ralph Waldo Emerson may have said it best:

"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success."

http://forums.delphiforums.com/Godswrath/start 
(Watch ye therefore and Pray always)

  

Art used by permission by Pat Marvenko Smith, copyright 1992.
Click here to visit her "Revelation Illustrated" site.
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  And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. Rev 19:11

  
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  From:  joyinexpressible (pamwitzemann)   Feb-8 6:35 am  
To:  Watchman77    (11 of 17)  
 
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Earla, 
Thanks, I'd forgotten that verse. 

Pam
 
  
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  From:  Watchman77    Feb-8 6:57 am  
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No problem Pam, always glad to share :-) 
Love & Blessings 
YSICJ Earla

Ralph Waldo Emerson may have said it best:

"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success."

http://forums.delphiforums.com/Godswrath/start 
(Watch ye therefore and Pray always)

  

Art used by permission by Pat Marvenko Smith, copyright 1992.
Click here to visit her "Revelation Illustrated" site.
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  And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. Rev 19:11

  
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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-12 8:35 pm  
To:  joyinexpressible (pamwitzemann)   (13 of 17)  
 
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One can't lust for one's mate. That's GODly attraction and desire. Men are told to love their wives.
  
  
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  From:  kennethr2   Feb-13 11:27 am  
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Very well understood and written. I would say: 
Run from all sexual intentions with another other thain thy spouse and the love of god will overflow in your relationship. Like you said very easy to do because Jesus lives in us and the desires of the flesh will not be fulfilled. 
What about the single person. Still run from the desires of the flesh. 
Is it sinfull for a single person to masturbate? 
I believe an good article is listed below By Tom Brown? 
Is Masturbation a Sin? 
http://tbm.org/masturbation.htm 
  
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  From:  4theCross   Mar-26 8:23 am  
To:  kennethr2   (15 of 17)  
 
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Hello, 
I'm new to the forum. In response to kennethr2: 

Lust is defined as "Intense or unrestrained (in this case)sexual craving and as "an intense or obsessive desire", and also as "an overwhelming desire or craving". 

You do the math. If anything, I-mean-anything, has that kind of power over you, then that "thing" is your master. Jesus stated in scripture that we "cannot serve two masters" because we'll despise one and love the other. 

Belonging to Christ is a very tough thing to do today. It takes a "renewing of your mind". That means that we have to think (and as a result)act differently from "the world". "The world" covers many of the things that we were taught, that we read, that we see on television or hear on the radio, that we feel, that everyone else is doing, etc. Those who belong to christ have to think outside of the box, and the "box" is made of flesh. 

You do the math.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Mar-26 9:21 am  
To:  4theCross   (16 of 17)  
 
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Hi,

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

Excellent Post!!

 

And yes as anyone does the math they need to include into the equation Life and Death, Heaven and Hell as ultimately that is the equation and summation of our beliefs and conduct.

 

God Bless you,
David A. Brown



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   From:  kennethr2   Mar-26 2:43 pm  
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Thanks for your response. 
>>renewing of your mind>> 
With the word of God. 
God Bless 
Kenneth 

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